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So I was wrong to think that I am allowed to control my own threads?
I'm not allowed to keep my own shit clean?
Am I right?
Telling people to shut the fuck up about my own stuff is wrong and immoral?
wrong is to modify other people's post without a sanctioned reason, and wrong is to silence normal critique
if you don't want your shit discussed, don't post a thread on fucking forums
So Im not allowed to moderate my own forum?
Theres nothing wrong with silencing people
Stalin did it, it kept him in control
So it mustve been a good thing
I wouldn't have edited posts if I could actually delete them
and I hope to god you're trying to be funny
Im being serious
If you would have remembered to give me the power to delete posts
we wouldnt even be having this discussion
You'd do the same thing in my position
SHUT THE FUCK UP
let me talk for a second
Then type faster
fuck you. other than you, I'm trying to make sense with what I say
I make sense
no. for example, you assume it was some kind of "accident" you can't delete posts
it's fucking normal.
It cleans shit up
Very useful tool
for one, no one can delete posts. _move_ to the trash can instead
People arguing with me makes me look bad
And, I dont want people's stupidshit bias or misunderstanding degrading my image
and for two, deleting the posts wouldn't have made it better, it'd only have gotten you banned already
They were arguing with me
Ive never been a believer in the freedom of speech
because deleting opposing opinions is a few more degrees worse than abusing your powers to alter their posts
I even support autocratic governments
Ffs, I dont want or need their shitty oppinions
again, I hope you're joking
they make me look bad
then you're probably on the wrong network
As you say
Im entitled to my oppinions
so basically, you have the right to have an opinion, but everybody else doesn't?
As you say
Everone includes me
then how come you don't understand that it's a bad thing to censor the others' opinions?
my support for autocracies has nothing to do with this
Its not bad
yes it is
because it's taking away their right to an opinion
They can voice their pissy oppinions elsewhere
I wouldnt be taking away their rights
like I said...if you don't want people to discuss your shit, don't post a thread on forums
I dont want people to discuss it, I want people to acknowledge it
Unless of course
they have useful shit to say
Anyways, split topic moved to trash
During the soviet era, people dissapeared daily
Whats so different about posts
in case you don't realize that...people disappearing for their opinions is not a good thing
Their oppinions must have done something to upset someone
oh for christ's sake
or challenged the beautiful autocratic dictatorship
To solve the problem
I *really* hope you're joking...otherwise you must be mentally retarded
people should have just kept quiet
Im not retarded
I could call you retarded for supporting the freedom of speech
but that'd be wrong
and thusby, your negative comments towards my beliefs are as well
Renegade sets channel #renproj mode +m
Maersk's SHPs suck
Maersk's SHPs suck
Maersk's SHPs suck
great, isn't it?
does it feel good to be oppressed?
do you like how I just silence your opinion?
Because I know for a fact you can't do better
So you just sound foolish
I laughed hysterically when you did that
Renegade sets channel #renproj mode -m
oh really, I can't?
you do know I have a big "block" button as well, right?
Good for you
So do I :)
lets stop this fucking fighting
yeah...but what would it help you?
and get on with life
I have four words for ye
GET. OVER. IT.
Its the internet
heh, and that's where you're wrong
I'd punch your face in in real life, but I can't.
it's not just "the internet"
Yes it is
It's the World Wide Web.
it's my forums. and on my forums, the only one oppressing people is me.
Yet you call opressing wrong?
and for now, I decided to only oppress n00bs
Oh, you consider me a n00b?
everybody else is free to voice their opinion
I believe autocracy is the only way to control a country effectively
that includes people who want to criticize you, and that includes your area of the forums
as long as the autocracy is not corrupt, it is fine
and I fail to see why you don't understand or accept that
The countries that have affected history positively the most were autocracies
you fail to see that I majorly don't care
Autocracies have formed great countries, and great structures
Look at britan
guess what it was until somewhat recently
this is not about the dead, failed states of the past
this is about my forums, right now
A monarchy is for the most part an autocracy
Im sick of this fucking argument
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My reputation is -5?
What does that little number even do
represent how the people feel about you
Can I adjust other peoples reputation?
I see no button
well, you could - but since I know you'd just alter it out of revenge right now, an admin would revert your changes
No I wouldn't
Its the internet
I'm one of the fairest people you'll know
When it comes to such shit
unfortunately, not when it comes to opinions
Because guess what
other peoples oppinions mean shit to me
I don't respect oppinions unless I like the person who gives them
and that is your good right. But not respecting and oppressing them are two different things
BUT ITS MY DAMN FORUM!
Every other feckin community in the world would let me do that
nope, almost none would
Plenty of people do it on revora, SSF, cannis
The only reason I went with your damn community is because I didnt like big communities
Im just trying to get my mod off the fucking ground again
I dont need people saying I steal shit or saying I'm anarrogant
One is true, sure, I'm an arrogant bastard
but I don't steal, and never will
but you did
all such comments serve to do is make me look bad
Yeah, I stole. Nice joke, but it sucks.
Prove I stole.
And this is where any chance of being right dries up for you
I thought so, you cant prove shit
stfu, I'm still browsing the logs
you even admitted to it
Yeah, I wanted madhq to shut the hell up and it seemed a viable way
it was one incident, and you kept lamenting about "no readme" or some shit
Meh, he's saying I stole for something I never even released
if I don't release it its not stealing because its for personal use
but, back to the point, I never stole in the first place.
I was just headbanging to a song
Not in my desk chair
I leaned back for a sec and collapsed
talk about dizzy
Making myself lunch
just a question
Why do you hate autocracies so much
germany was one until 1945
Imperial germany, prenazi was a fairly successful state until WWI
You just don't get it, do you? You can't just evaluate forms of government just by how powerful states were that used them
in every single dictatorship or oligarchy so far, billions of innocent people suffered
The people don't matter as long as the country is successful
If the country fails
everything related fails
and that is where we disagree
if the people fail, no one cares.
Its been proven
hitler proved it
no one cared when he made the first assault on the jews
Im not a nazi
I hate nazis
I hate hitler
I dont hate jews
but he proved that people didn't care
No. All he proved is that if you're powerful enough, you can do anything
...but that doesn't change the fact that what he did was wrong.
Of course what he did was wrong
but the general concept behind autocracy is good
the leaders have just been corrupt
and how is Hitler's elimination of the Jews because they're Jewish different from you deleting posts because the disagree with you?
Because posts arent people
that's because forums aren't states
but posts are to forums what people are to states
They still arent states.
Im a supporter of Autocracy, Militarism, dictatorships, all of that shit
as long as the rulers aren't too corrupt
And, if they are, as long as they don't go up against my group of society
see? there you are
You could say I'm corrupt
I'll admit I am
you are a supporter of *you* being *in power*
Of course I am
Because then I'd have my way
if you were a Jew in Nazi Germany, you'd hate dictatorships just as everybody else
in other words, you're a hipocrite
Alas, I wasn't a jew in nazi germany
So I dont hate dictatorships
both spellings are correct
hippopotami in crates have nothing to do with this
Both spellings are correct
the term was named after HIPPOCRATES.
The original term was spelled hippocrate
dude, there is a guy named "Hippocrates" and a word "hypocrite" - there's nothing in between
Guess what the term came from
You're a german, I'm positive you don't know english as well as I do
well, given that neither wiktionary nor merriam-webster nor dict.leo have ever heard of "hippocrate", I'll just assume I know it even better, and you're just stubborn and full of shit
My CN3 preorder came in
I guess i'll pick it up tonight
You might hate me
but I'm possibly the nicest guy you'll ever talk to if ye'd just get over the shit I said earlier
As you say, Im entitled to my oppinions
I'm pretty sure you're one of the people I most dislike talking to
Get over it.
If I am
You need to get outside more
so you can wreak havoc on the forums? I think not.
I don't plan on wreaking havok
I just want my forum to be clean
You got CNC3 yet?
of course not
despite the fact that I doubt the game is any C&C, the demo decided it didn't need to start
and, under no circumstances, I'd pay full price for that piece of junk
End of Part I / Beginning of Part II
does anyone here have the rockpack 1.10
the one VK stopped distributing
I need it for my mod :(
and we totally haven't seen Nighthawk's post on the forums
like, had we seen it, we'd have to remove it
because of all the links, you know
I haven't visited the forums in awhile :O
is there a post?
no, definitely not
no post whatsoever
Hehe, ok, ill go look
Ahh yay, my AI is actually good! The sad part is its just a warmed over TS AI...
it kicked my ass. ;_;
but the RA2 walls look good in TS. no resizing needed. :)
shouldn't they be something like 25% bigger?
Rattuskid comments on VK's name choice of "ZPatch" (a bit old)
"He'll rename it to Preperation H. The name would at least be more fitting. It works well at soothing the iritation, but you have to touch an asshole to use it."
A post from RedCommandant will be as follows:
VK created ZPatch/Swizzlepatch/NPatch or whatever else he names it, and also has done ALL WORK on rockpatch up until the time he killed it off. You are all complaining about something he did because he wanted to. Not because he had to. He has no obligation to release ANYTHING to you whiny pieces of shit. It is his work, I believe that he has every right to control its distribution, and as such you all need to shut the
hell up, get off the soapbox, and actually get a clue. *GASP*. If you don't like how he does things, fine, don't use his work. But comparing him to Hitler and Stalin or whatever else is just ridiculous, because he is using his own free time, time that could be spent with women and a nice flask of whiskey (I won't go into the details), instead developing a patch which all of you lame bastards have felt the need to compl
Seriously, grow up. He has devoted countless hours of his time and THIS is the thanks he gets? If you really hate him this much, why don't you go teach yourself assembly and make your own rock patch. See how hard it is and how much time you'll need to devote. Until then, shut the FUCK up, and realize that you can't always get what you want, and he isn't your damned slave.
END OF. DISCUSSION. It is his work and he as the right to do whatever the fuck he feels like; he has no obligation at all to serve to the community's every demand. Stop distributing HIS WORK against his very simple request, and simply be patient and wait for the next version that he wastes his time on for this selfish community.
More like, realist.
you know, you are starting to sound more and more like prime
* Renegade thinks of looking up the "I refuse to read all that" bash quote
your argumentation is flawed
It is his work, he can do what he pleases with it :S
I am only supporting somebody who for now rhyme or reason gets absolutely no support, instead hate for all the time he has put into the project :S
yes, but your argumentation assumes we have no reason to complain
you have no right to complain.
yes, we have
Why? Because you are not making it
That is irrelevant
he doesnt have to be making it
if his product is not good, his product is not good
It is good
if he's and asshole, he's an asshole
I don't think he's an asshole
woah, drama thread flashbacks
that is entirely independent from the fact of whether or not he gets paid
Him being an asshole is not fact but opinion
pd didn't get paid either
and you know what?
And likewise, he did not HAVE to make it :S
nobody hated pd or pd's RP
Maybe because he was a pussy who gave into everybodys demand and request
so obviously there is a difference, even though are doing the very same thing
dont get me wrong, PD was a decent guy
but I think he gave in too much
I found his patch useful then, and I find VK's patch useful NOW.
my favorite example at this point is the random flag renaming thing
I am a modder just as everyone else, why is it that my opinion is so different
Maybe because that is just it
it is everybody's opinion
not a set fact
maybe people just can't deal with change, they want everything handed to them on a silver plate
are you seriously of the opinion that we have no right to complain when VK decides to randomly rename flags, just because he feels like it, fucking up all mods in the process?
with the sole justification of it being "I code this, stfu"?
he feels like fucking up my mod, I feel like calling him a knob
Because he is absolutely right
he codes it.
you dont have to use the new version
but that doesn't mean I can't complain about him feeling the need to invalidate all my work
Thats not why he did it
if VK fucks up my mod, I have the right to complain about it
he simply made it more logical in its naming convention
no matter if I'm forced to subdue to his fucking or not
what was that? he renamed TUT1?
that most definitely had a large impact on the logical structure of the ini
* Renegade rolls eyes
dude, you're wasting time
drama thread, remember?
"must... have... rp... " is the only thing they know
well, I find it more interesting that Mr. RedCommandment arguments just like Prime, uses the same ISP, and you still insist it's all a coincidence
I'm not arguing
I'm stating much needed facts
you're stating love slave bullshit
I'm stating much needed facts.
repeating it over and over won't magically make it true
then explain how exactly VK's activities as a coder or my usage of his product automatically take away any right I have to complain
Because simply put, you didn't make the patch
So automatically he has the right to do whatever he wants.
going from that argumentation, I could come over to you and shoot you in the face with a .50 Desert Eagle, and you'd have no right to complain
because I did it, and I did it for free
except that would be illegal
what he is doing is not.
EA would disagree
retroactively changing licenses is
EA is a great company, that while making a flawed game (generals) also made a great great game (CNC3)
Command and Conquer 3 is one of the best command and conquers ive played
for how long have you been part of this community?
around 4 years, "sir"
what was that, Generals release?
maybe you should've been here when they didn't give shit about whether we existed at all, and only started caring once they wanted us to buy Generals
I don't care if they care
I just want a fun game
or when they didn't give a fuck about what makes a C&C, and simply slapped a sticker on Generals
"I dont care if the patch fucks up everyone else, I just want it and I want it now"
Generals was a good game
it wasn't a CNC
but it was a good game
people like you are the reason EA has the power to fuck up gamers and gaming studios over and over again
they were wrong to brand it as such, but nevertheless, it was a decent quality game
But, it was not Command and Conquer
and it was pathetic in comparison with the rest of the series.
and yet, you hail them as the keepers of the C&C community
They made CNC3
CNC3 is very fun
CNC3 continues the storyline in a nice way
the liquid-t deposit/ion cannon was genius
as well as Redmond Boyle, best character ever.
Seriously, EA did a great job, and it felt like a CNC game to me
not a generals game, but a CNC game
the fact that after half a decade they manage to ship a marginally good game doesn't make them a good company, a caring company, or caring for the community
They are rich, they don't need us to care
it just means they realized a lot of revenue because Generals sucked as a C&C
they lost a lot of ...*
As long as the game is fun, I am happy
as long as it is true to cnc, I am happy
if they change a few things to make it better for a wider audience, I think that is perfectly fine
iow, you're a happy a little drone, and that's all that matters
I respect authority
and I respect the decisions authority makes
I will be the one getting promoted in my job
and making more money
and you will be the ones who get FIRED.
I think the average guy term is "asskisser"
and you're missing a point there
I said that twenty minutes ago
...if you get promoted to be my boss, I'll leave on my own
because I wouldn't want to be the one serving under a boss who only got powers because he's good at sucking cock
The ones who suck cock make the money
The ones who make the money get nice houses and cars
it's called "prostitution"
The ones who don't subdue to authoritah are their own bosses
and _decide_ how much money they make
Which often times is none at all.
Nobody has beaten microsoft yet
the only things that are really putting up a fight are free
and the fact that you make that sound like a negative thing is the very core of your problem
Free things don't make money, hun
None at all.
I am a man of money, it is my passion
Unfree people don't have a choice
Money will get me what I need
If your boss decides you get less, you have no power to change that
A nice car, a nice house, and aloving wife
...no matter how deep you take him
if my wife decides to give me less I will take my degrees somewhere else, or atleast threaten to
I do not expect to leave college with anything short of a masters
I come from a wealthy family, I will not be ALLOWED to leave college without a masters
that explains a lot
Money, get away
Get a good job with more pay and you're O.K.
Money, it's a gas
Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash
New car, caviar, four star daydream,
Think I'll buy me a footbal team.
Pink Floyd - Money
Such a true song
where's my fucking cluebat
Up your ass
out of actual arguments, are we
Just read what you say and you can figure that out
Whoever said that?
you started personal attacks, which is usually a sign of people not having any arguments left
I already told you
I don't argue
I simply state the facts
so do we
that's what you think
and, coincidentally, is what we think of your "facts"
not to mention that your facts lack anything validating them as facts
or, more importantly, validating your conclusions from said facts
your argumentation style is "A is true, B is true, I think C is because of that, and because A = true and B = true, C = true"
and that's just bullshit
that's like saying "I exist. People don't just spawn midair. I think God created me. Therefore God exists."
ah crap, did i miss much?
just an IRC flame war it seems. o_o
o. m. g.
I just came across the word "vertical calibrator"
first thing I parsed was "vibrator"
wasn't prime the one who expressed his liking for all forms of tolitarian government?
"VK seriously stop being a dictator, and listen to the simple requests people have made. It might make your patch better yknow."
...his latest post from the forums
<Renegade> your argumentation style is "A is true, B is true, I think C is because of that, and because A = true and B = true, C = true"
That is not at all my argumentation style
And also, I guess i'd have to share a liking for totalitarianism with that prime guy
of course it is. You argumented that, because I neither made the patch nor paid VK, I have no right to complain about his work
Putin sure knows how to make his country work
Economy has skyrocketed
yet many call him... totalitarian
a dictator, an authoritarian
Im going to go.
and that's just crap. Fact A, Renegade did not create RP, and Fact B, VK was not paid to create RockPatch, are totally independent from conclusion C, Renegade has no right to complain
If anyone wishes to continue this discussion, my AIM is "rc122larson"
nothing in A or B takes away my right to complain about bad work, stupid rules and crappy treatment of the community.
Renegade has no right to complain because it is not his project
oh yeah, that makes sense
Im sure it does.
I'll never complain about the weather again
The weather is controlled by god, and god lets us damned complain :P
the weather is controlled by climate
but nonetheless, for the religious man, god created climate.
and I happen to be religious.
Good for you. :)
What difference does it make to me?
oh, and traffic jams. construction sites. damn noise animals.
no right to complain about any of that
not my project
it is nobodys project
and the things that are
the people are paid to do
who cares if that construction site is leading to me being late? I have no right to complain, it's not my project...
But according to you, one who operates independantly has more freedom or something like that
so you cant be late if you run the show
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sure got the last word, didn't he
how do you call the Moses Maneuvre when it wasn't about god?
Renegade sets channel #renproj mode +b *!*@*.covad.net
that ISP seems to be home of all assholes
Im not sure what's worse .. that we spent 56 minutes hopelessly arguing with a Scrooge McRepublican slash buttkisser, or that that was the highlight of my day
End of Part II / Beginning of Part III
tell renegade not to ban me :P
what you do?
I spammed like aweek ago
and now renegade seems to want me permabanned for it
I can't exactly vouch for you
what would I say? he didn't spam? >.>
nah, more like "So what, he spammed once, big deal? :P"
I'm 100% sure the reason wasn't just one bit pf spam
he was probably tired of your atitude for a while and the spam just push him off the edge
End of Part III / Beginning of Part IV
Are you one of the jackasses who's trying to run VK outta the community?
are you one of those blind jackasses?
it appears you are
because why would I be trying to kick him out if I hosted him?
How am I supposed to know you host him
maybe because of his posts THANKING ME
besides, that could all be a ploy to simply delete his site when you feel like it and kill publicity.
I don't visit the forums much
"New NP web-site"
thanks to me for hosting him
I dont follow N-patch
because I dont mod YE
and I certainly have the power to delete his page, but why would I do that when I work with him on another project you know shit-all about?\
because who knows, you might just be trying to backstab him like all the other ungrateful fucks in the community
you can go on with your paranoia
he's on the hate-level of ME>
atleast at renegade
I'm involved, behind a lot of the scenes in many places
I know what goes on
better than most
because "most" don't care :P
vk LEFT renproj of his own accord
Im not talking about renproj
where are they bashing him?
a lot of people wanted him outed from the community itself
those people are not me
No need for the pissant attitude
because you need to read that somewhere
and I haven't posted anything about kicking vk out
that would be stupid
Now shut the fuck up and take the bitterness elsewhere
"Are you one of the jackasses who's trying to run VK outta the community?" Is not a way to start a conversation. I have every right to be pissed at your attitude, and your accusations. Plus, paranoia is really annoying.
Date: Part I - 2007 March 27, Part II - 2007 July 14, Part III - 2007 July 6, Part IV - 2007 July 20.